The container is a lie!

Larry Garfield (08.Jun.2018 at 16:45, 45 min)
Talk at Dutch PHP Conference 2018 (English - US)

Rating: 4 of 5

Containers are all the rage these days. They’re fast, they make deployment easy, they handle dependencies, they slice, they dice, they make julienne fries! But... what are they? What exactly is a container and how does it work? Just how does a container differ from the “old” silver bullet, virtual machines?

Here’s a hint: It has nothing to do with boats, or whales, or shipping. That’s all marketing fluff.

Containers are simply a shorthand name for leveraging newer features of operating system kernels that let the OS lie to programs about how they’re running. In fact, all of modern software is built on lies. That’s what’s useful about it!

To understand how that works, why it’s so useful, and where it’s not, let’s dive into how software actually works on a modern Linux system to see how those kernel features fit into the big picture, building up to “containers” along the way. Pull back the veil of lies and see how your computer really works

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Rating: 5 of 5

08.Jun.2018 at 17:34 by Jeroen Vermeulen (17 comments) via Web2 LIVE

Very good talk, learned a lot.
The last part, vs Docker was a bit too commercial.

Rating: 4 of 5

08.Jun.2018 at 17:35 by Jasper N. Brouwer (74 comments) via iPhone app

Really good, thorough and easy to follow explanation of what containers actually are. I haven't used Docker (yet), but I now have a very clear view of what it does.
The comparison between and Docker could have been shorter IMO.

Rating: 5 of 5

08.Jun.2018 at 17:41 by Petar Petrov (3 comments) via Web2 LIVE

Awesome !

Rating: 5 of 5

08.Jun.2018 at 17:50 by Jochem Fuchs (58 comments) via Web2 LIVE

Very nice talk! I was lost in the beginning, but now I feel I actually understand a bit how "containers" work. Also on a personal note, I loved the ST references ;-)

Rating: 5 of 5

09.Jun.2018 at 10:51 by Onno Lissenberg (58 comments) via Web2 LIVE


Rating: 4 of 5

10.Jun.2018 at 17:52 by Stephan Hochdörfer (206 comments) via Web2 LIVE

Good overview of that a container is and does.

Rating: 3 of 5

10.Jun.2018 at 23:20 by Ramon de la Fuente (139 comments) via Web2 LIVE

While I appreciate the very insightful view of containerization, I was a little put off by the us-vs-them theme during the talk where Docker is given a bad grade in comparison to I appreciate it might be hard to see a rival product that is inferior in your eyes, but it does hurt the presentation by diminishing trust. If the talk was the technical part plus "...and we're _really_ _really_ good at that at" it would have been super convincing. Because Larry certainly knows his containers all the way down to the turtles below...

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11.Jun.2018 at 15:09 by Larry Garfield (19 comments) via Web2 LIVE

Hi Ramon. I hope I didn't give the impression that > Docker always, as that wasn't the intent. Platform, Docker, Flatpack, etc. all use the same underlying tools (namespaces plus abstraction layers) to constrain processes, but do so in different ways that have different pros and cons. Platform's model works really well for production hosting, but I would never try to use it for local one-off tools. Docker excels at local one-off tools, but has limitations when trying to do the kind of hosting that does. For "I want to try out this new server program I've heard about and not pollute my local computer configuration", Docker is probably the best tool available. That doesn't make it the best tool for all things, just as isn't the best container design for all things. That's the point I was trying to make.

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